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Sea Breeze
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Beware of PIMO'S in the Congregation. Convention day 1 video
by liam inthe governing body is now focusing on those that are pimos in the congregation, trying to wake up pimis.
they have a video series featuring a mom, dad, and son.
the mom is fighting cancer.
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A gospel of LOVE or a gospel of HATE?
by JanH in" (the watchtower, 10/1 1961, p. 596; bold added).
" (the watchtower, 11/15 1952, p. 703; bold added).
" (the watchtower, 10/1 1952, p. 599; bold added).
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Christianity at its core is a Jekyll and Hyde affair. It was borne out of hostility and oppression.
Wrong PP,
It was born when a man rose from the dead and presented himself to hundreds of people in the heart of Judaism - Jerusalem; after being publicly crucified and buried three days previously and after predicting that he would raise himself from the dead.
It is this event that radically changed the course of world history. God himself penetrated human history in a very dramatic way, pulling off a feat that ONLY God could do.Link +3 / -0 -
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A gospel of LOVE or a gospel of HATE?
by JanH in" (the watchtower, 10/1 1961, p. 596; bold added).
" (the watchtower, 11/15 1952, p. 703; bold added).
" (the watchtower, 10/1 1952, p. 599; bold added).
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Here is a rather graphic Watchtower description of what will happen to Christians and others, who refuse to join Watchtower's “theocratic warfare”. It is from one of Watchtower's children's books: :
"A flesh-eating plague will destroy many. . . . Eaten up will be the tongues of those who scoffed and laughed at the warning of Armageddon! Eaten up will be the eyes of those who refused to see the sign of the "time of the end"! Eaten up will be the flesh of those who would not learn that the living and true God is named Jehovah! Eaten up while they stand on their feet!" (From Paradise Lost to Paradise Regained, 1958, p. 209)
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Things Rutherford got wrong that Fred Franz had to clear up
by slimboyfat ini was interested by the suggestion in a recent discussion that rutherford was in some way preferable to fred franz, because i’ve not come across this view before.
it made me rethink my assumptions and try to work out why i hold the opposite view and prefer fred franz to rutherford.
i haven’t done any additional research, so i’m only drawing on what i can remember off the top of my head, but i thought i’d list a few things where i reckon fred franz’s approach was preferable to rutherford.
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I was interested by the suggestion in a recent discussion that Rutherford was in some way preferable to Fred Franz, because I’ve not come across this view before. It made me rethink my assumptions and try to work out why I hold the opposite view and prefer Fred Franz to Rutherford.
I don't know why and don't care. That's like comparing Hitler to China’s Mao Zedong and trying to figure out which one murdered the fewest people so you can determine your preference.
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Self control fruits of the spirit. Fat GB seem to lack it
by JohnR1975 infruits of the spirit would surely be required to be gb members?
yet some of them seem to lack self control when it comes to eating.
br herd, mark sanderson and br jackson in these are all very obese.. if they travel to poor places wearing their rolex watches and gold pinky rings the brothers there will surely wonder why they are so fat.. there are many scriptures talking about not being greedy and not gluttonous for food.. if they were really chosen by god as his channel on earth then why can’t they show the fruits of the spirit and show self control when it comes to being gluttonous?.
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Nothing was said about giving loyalty to your “leader”, Jesus Christ.
@konagirl
Mmmmm; Jesus always seems to get diminished or left out in JW rhetoric. BTW, thanks for the James citation. Spot on.
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bomb for jehova italy
by andr initaly meets another bomb in front of the kingdom hall, after having caused a scandal on tv, now it is also dangerous to go to the hall.
here is the image of the press release.
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Bombs and bullets will only increase the paranoia and victimhood of JW's.
Weaponry and violence only works in the movies. Having said that, I am utterly shocked that more violence has not been targeted on the GB for all their crimes against against children and families.
It seems that even criminals agree that dumb gullible people deserve what they allow.Link +5 / -0 -
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Did the WT Policy on Lying Bother You When You Were a JW?
by Sea Breeze inhere's the wt standard for lying: "while malicious lying is definitely condemned in the bible, this does not mean that a person is under obligation to divulge truthful information to people who are not entitled to it" - insight pp.
244-245. vs. websters dictionary:.
lie, noun.
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I remembered the phrase “you do not owe the truth to somebody who doesn’t deserve it”.
@ LHG
I think this is where the average JW lands. JW's are extremely evasive and prefer this tactic to outright lies. However, if they do "need" to lie (for peoples own good of course) I find they will look for alternative definitions of words, or at least see if a double meaning can be derived so as to improve the overall moral character of the lie. If the recipient doesn't understand the double meaning, it isn't the JW's fault, or so they reason.
You make many other good points as well in your post.
Why do you hear the same cliche remarks from coast to coast - whether you are in California or the East Coast?
Downright creepy.
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Question for JW's: Is Jesus the Mediator of Your Prayers ?
by Sea Breeze inpraying to god “through the son jesus” has nothing to do with christ as mediator.. do jw's even know what a mediator does?.
i am in the insurance restoration construction business and have been in mediation many times when a policy holder sues an insurance company for not paying everything they believe is due them under the terms of their policy for property damage.. i am brought in as a technical expert.. in mediation, the plaintiff (policy holder) and the defendant (insurance company) are placed in separate rooms, they do not talk to each other.
they are separated because the dispute has alienated the one from the other.
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From time to time people who still adhere to Watchtower insanity try to insinuate, even claim that there are two covenants in the New Testament and not one. This is then used as justification for rejecting the one that is actually in the bible "for the forgiveness of sins" in favor of an imaginary one where you get to work for your salvation and Justification (forgiveness of sins) for a thousand years.
@Rattigan:
THERE ARE NOT TWO COVENANTS IN THE NEW TESTAMENT. The very name proves there is only one. THE (singular) New Testament (covenant or contract)
Please provide a Watchtower quote that supports the heretical claim that there are two covenants in the NT. Even Watchtower has NEVER claimed something this ridiculous. Prove me wrong.
The Greek word for "testament" means a covenant or contract. There are only 2 contracts that God has instituted for the forgiveness of sins - an old one mediated by Moses. and a new one mediated by Jesus. That is why the bible is divided by the two contracts, ie. the old testament (contract) and the new testament (contract). The entire book of Hebrews describes the details of the new covenant and how it is so much better than the old contract.
E-Sword is powerful free bible software and has KJV words keyed to Strong’s. It makes it very easy to look up and compare Greek and English words. See below:
Rom_11:27 For G2532 this G3778 is (G3844) my G1700 covenant G1242 unto them, G846 when G3752 I shall take away G851 their G848 sins. G266
Apostle Paul reiterates what this covenant is for in Romans 11: 27 above - taking away sins. English words are tied to Strong's so that it makes it easy for you to look up Greek meanings. Here is what the English word “Covenant” looks like:
Strong’s G1242 :
διαθήκη
diathēkē
dee-ath-ay'-kay
From G1303; properly a disposition, that is, (specifically) a contract (especially a devisory will): - covenant, testament.
Total KJV occurrences: 33
In Luke, Jesus doesn’t make another covenant as you suggest. He appoints Christians to a Kingdom under the terms of, or as a result of, the new covenant “for the forgiveness of sins.
(Luke 22:29) And I G2504 appoint G1303 unto you G5213 a kingdom, G932 as G2531 my G3450 Father G3962 hath appointed G1303 unto me; G3427
Strong’s G1303 :
διατίθεμαι
diatithemai
dee-at-ith'-em-ahee
Middle voice from G1223 and G5087; to put apart, that is, (figuratively) dispose (by assignment, compact or bequest): - appoint, make, testator.
Total KJV occurrences: 7
Two completely different Greek words here; and trying to make them mean that we are talking about two covenants, not one is not supported.
Like I said, Watchtower never claims there are two covenants, only one - “for the forgiveness of sins”.
Watchtower theology is a thoroughly wicked and Satanic religious system that has gone to great lengths to trick people into rejecting the contract God offered to “whosoever” that guarantees the forgiveness of YOUR sins.
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Question for JW's: Is Jesus the Mediator of Your Prayers ?
by Sea Breeze inpraying to god “through the son jesus” has nothing to do with christ as mediator.. do jw's even know what a mediator does?.
i am in the insurance restoration construction business and have been in mediation many times when a policy holder sues an insurance company for not paying everything they believe is due them under the terms of their policy for property damage.. i am brought in as a technical expert.. in mediation, the plaintiff (policy holder) and the defendant (insurance company) are placed in separate rooms, they do not talk to each other.
they are separated because the dispute has alienated the one from the other.
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Sea Breeze
There is absolutely nothing wrong with the teaching that Jesus is the mediator of the new covenant for the anointed 144,000 only.
Sure there is Rattigan, and it is huge. If Christians are supposed to personally reject the new covenant "for forgiveness of sins" Jesus offered in Mt, 26: 27-28, then there must be some other NT scripture that shows how a person can get their sins forgiven OUTSIDE OF THE NEW COVENANT.. You cannot produce such a new testament scripture can you? No, you cannot. It doesn't exist.
Romans 5: 1&9 says that because we are justified we have peace with God. And, because we are justified we will escape God's wrath.You cannot change this scripture no matter how much you may want to. It is there. Anyone can read it, understand it, and decide if they want peace with God or not.
Yet, your church (Watchtower) says people can no longer be justified. They say to just trust them to attain peace with God and avoid his wrath. This is anti-Christ Rebellion full stop.Link +1 / -0 -
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Self control fruits of the spirit. Fat GB seem to lack it
by JohnR1975 infruits of the spirit would surely be required to be gb members?
yet some of them seem to lack self control when it comes to eating.
br herd, mark sanderson and br jackson in these are all very obese.. if they travel to poor places wearing their rolex watches and gold pinky rings the brothers there will surely wonder why they are so fat.. there are many scriptures talking about not being greedy and not gluttonous for food.. if they were really chosen by god as his channel on earth then why can’t they show the fruits of the spirit and show self control when it comes to being gluttonous?.
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Questions from Readers: Why do pictures in the publications show JW's as lean and fit when their leaders are morbidly obese?
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